Rishi Sunak and Elon Musk

Rishi Sunak: Good evening, everybody. Welcome. Elon, thanks for being here. Elon Musk: Thank you for having me.

Rishi Sunak: We feel, we feel very privileged, very excited to have you. Right, so I'm gonna start with some questions, and then we're gonna open it up. Great. Let me get straight into it.

So Bill Gates said, "There is no one in our time who has done more to push the bounds of science innovation than you." Elon Musk: Well, that's kind of him to say. Rishi Sunak: Yeah, well, that's it.

That is a nice thing to have anyone say about you nice coming from Bill Gates. But oddly enough, when it comes to AI, actually for around a decade, you've almost been doing the opposite and saying, "Hang Yeah. We need to think about what we're doing and what we're pushing here, and what do we do to make this safe?

Yeah. Actually, maybe we shouldn't be pushing as fast or as hard as we are." Like, I mean, you've been doing it for a decade.

Like, what was it that caused you to think about it that way, and you know, why do we need to be worried? Elon Musk: Yeah, I've been somewhat of a Cassandra for quite a while, where where people would, I would tell people, like, "We should really be concerned about AI." They'd be like, "What are you talking about?"

Like, they've never really had any experience with AI. But since I was immersed in, technology. I have been immersed in technology for a long time, I could see it coming.

So, but I think this year was there've been a number of breakthroughs. I mean, you know, the point at which someone can see a dynamically created video of themselves, you know, like, somebody could make a video of you saying anything in real time, or me. And so there's sort of the deep fake videos, which are really incredibly good, in fact, sometimes more convincing than real ones.

Deep real. And and then, and then obviously things like ChatGPT were quite remarkable. Now, I saw, GPT-1, GPT-2, GPT-3, GPT-4, the, you know, the whole sort of lead up to that.

So it was easy for me to, kind of see where it's going. If you just sort of extrapolate the points on a curve, and assuming that trend will continue, then we will have, profound artificial intelligence and obviously at a level that far exceeds, human intelligence.

So, but I'm glad to see at this point that, people are taking, safety seriously, and I'd, like to say thank you for holding this, AI safety conference. I think actually it will go down in history as being very important. I think it's, it's really quite profound.

And and I do think overall that the potential is there for artificial intelligence, AI, to, have most likely a positive effect, and to create a future of abundance where there is no scarcity of goods and services.

But it is somewhat the, of the magic genie problem, where if you have a magic genie that can grant all the wishes, usually those stories, don't end well. Be careful what you wish for, including wishes. Rishi Sunak: Yeah. So you you talked a little bit about the summit, and thank you for being engaged in it, which has been great, and people enjoyed having you there participating in this dialogue.

Now, one of the things that we achieved today in the meetings between the companies and the leaders was a, an agreement that externally, ideally, governments should be doing safety testing of models before they're released. Yeah. I think this is something that you've spoken about a little bit. It was something we worked really hard Yeah.