Lady Gaga

Oprah Winfrey: Thanks for coming. I was saying to reporters yesterday, I was really nervous about asking you first of all, because it's one of those things, I was so nervous about asking you. Lady Gaga: And then you asked me, and I was like, "Move my vacation. I'd do anything for Oprah."

Oprah Winfrey: Oh. I wanna know when you got clarity for yourself about the vision of creating Gaga. Lady Gaga: Well, you know, at first, when I was younger, I went through a lot of struggles in high school. I was really bullied.

I didn't feel good about myself, and I got made fun of, like, "Why do you wanna be a singer? Why do you wanna be a musician? Why do you wanna be an actress?"

And I felt so secluded and isolated, and it was time, once I dropped out of college, I will admit. Stay in school. But I dropped out of college because I was like, "I have to pursue my dreams as a musician. This is what I want."

And it was, in creating Gaga that I was able to create a superhero for myself. It was a vision for the me that I wanted to be. I wanted to be confident.

I wanted to be, filled with self-compassion. I wanted to be filled with compassion for others, and I wanted to share my story and my vision of the world with the world. Oprah Winfrey: And so you created this sort of alter person, Gaga.

Lady Gaga: Who now has become me also. I Yes. I don't know what happened, but it just sort of but that's what happens.

When you have a vision for yourself, you see, you can be here, right? And then you have your vision, and then all of a sudden. The two merge. They come together.

You become aligned. Yes. Oprah Winfrey: And you say that Lady Gaga the creation of Gaga actually gave Stephanie the wings to fly. Lady Gaga: Gaga, myself, has given me the wings to fly.

And what I was going to, you know, add is that now, after almost over a decade of being in the industry, I really recognize my position that people are watching me. Now, I could hyper-focus on being objectified or being in tabloids or being gossiped about, but you know what?

I'm thinking to myself, "Oh, the world is watching, and I have something important to say, and I wanna change people's lives, and now my mission is different, and I have a responsibility to this whole world."

Oprah Winfrey: Yes. 'Cause one of the things that we discussed in Elle, I one of the things that surprised me when we talked about it in, the recent Elle magazine, you were saying, I was saying, "You have spent a lot of time shocking the world." That meat dress was the first time we all, like, were kind of aghast.

And you said you have now reached a point in your life where you don't feel the need to create some identity of shocking people. Lady Gaga: Yes, I think it was something that I enjoyed, to bemuse people, you know, so that they would listen to the music and that there was sort of a state of confusion of, "Who is this woman? I don't really, I."