Billionaires Debate
Elon Musk: Okay, great. AI, yeah. Actually, I'm told that. Does AI mean love?
It, like, it There's, like, a name, AI? It sort of sounds a bit like love. Jack Ma: Yeah, AI. I hate the word AI, called artificial intelligence.
I call it Alibaba intelligence. Elon Musk: Yeah. Might end up being true. You never know. I think generally people, underestimate the the capability of AI.
They sort of think like it's a smart human. But it's it's, it's really much. It's gonna be much more than that.
It'll be much smarter than the smartest human. Yeah. It'll be like, you know, if, like, can a chimpanzee really, understand humans? Not really, you know.
They're just We just seem like strange aliens. Well, they mostly just care about other chimpanzees. And this will be how it is more or less in relative inter.
In fact, if it's, if the difference is only that small, that would be amazing. Probably it's much greater. I mean, I really think that there should be other companies like Neuralink, essentially to create a high bandwidth interface to the brain, 'cause the.
Right now we are already a cyborg. People don't realize we are already a cyborg because we are so well integrated with our phones and our computers. The phone is almost like an extension of yourself.
If you forget your phone, it's like a missing limb. But the bandwidth, the communication bandwidth to the phone is very low, especially input. So in fact, input bandwidth to computers has actually gone down because of typing with two thumbs as opposed to 10 fingers.
There's a big reduction in bandwidth. Input bandwidth has gone up because of video and imagery. So input bandwidth is many orders of magnitude greater than output bandwidth.
But at a certain point, if we'll just. Even, assuming a benign scenario with AI, we will just be too slow. I Jack Ma: think AI is going to open a new chapter of the society of the world that people try to understand ourself better rather than the outside world.
And it's so difficult to predict the future. Ninety-nine point nine nine percent of the predictions that human being had in history about the future, all wrong. Elon Musk: Including that Jack Ma: one? Oh, yeah.
Only, you know, the zero point zero zero percent of the prediction are right. They're right because by accident. Elon Musk: Yeah, but it's also true that eighty percent of statistics are false.
Jack Ma: Yeah. So my meaning is Elon Musk: Cold room. Come on, guys. It was a Jack Ma: joke. My meaning is I'm happy about the artificial intelligence or Alibaba intelligence that's going to understand a human, the inside of the human better.
So when people worry a lot about artificial intelligence, people should have more confidence in themselves because I think if the lot of solutions we don't have today, but there will be solutions tomorrow. We don't have solutions, but the young people will have solutions. So I'm quite optimistic, and I don't think artificial intelligence is a threat.
I don't think if, artificial intelligence is something terrible, but human beings are smart enough to learn that. And to me, artificial intelligence is just like, People worry a lot about this today are those people, I call them, called college smartness.
People like us, street smart, we're never scared of that. We think it's a great fun, and we want to change ourself to embrace it. Elon Musk: I don't know, man.
That's like famous last words. There's. Let me tell you AI is, I mean, you look at sort of the rate of advancement. Just in general, the rate of advancement of computers is insane.
And like, a, like a good example would be video games. You know, if you go back forty years ago, fifty years ago maybe, you had, you had Pong. That was just two rectangles and a square.
Now you've got photorealistic real-time simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously. If you assume any rate of improvement at all, the, I mean, these games will be comp indistinguishable from reality. You will not be able to tell the difference.
Either that or civilization will end. Those are the two options. Jack Ma: Good. Yeah. Well, let's talk about something fun.
I'm admire that you wanna go on the Mars. Shall we go to the Mars? Yeah. Yeah. So what will the life look like on Mars?
Are you both moving? What do you think about that? I actually, I'm not interested in Mars.
I just came back from there, so. I'm more interested on the Earth, the things, what's going on happening here. So what, why you are so curious about the Mars?
Elon Musk: Among the set of actions we can take that are likely to increase the scope and scale of consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of the universe, one of those actions is to become a multi-planet species or ensure that life is multi-planetary. Not because I think something that.
It's, it's not from the standpoint of it just being an escape hatch or because I think that Earth is doomed, but there's a certain probability that is irreducible, that something may happen to Earth.
Despite our best intentions, despite everything we try to do, the, there's a probability at a certain point that some either external force or some internal unforced error, causes civilization to be destroyed, or or sufficiently impaired such that it can no longer, extend to another planet.
This is the first time in the four and a half billion-year history of Earth that it's been possible to extend life beyond Earth. Before this, it was not possible. How long will this window be open?
It may be open for a long time, or it may be open for a short time. I think we it would be wise to assume that it is open for a short time. And and then let us, secure the future, secure the future of consciousness such that life of.
The light of consciousness is not extinguished. And we should do try to do this as quickly as possible. That's my view. Jack Ma: It's so difficult to secure the future of the Earth, but we can secure the future of next 100 years.
I'm not the person that. I admire your courage for explore the Mars, but I admire a lot of people spend efforts on improving the Earth. It's, it's great to send one million people to the Mars, but we have to care about the 7.4 billion people on the Earth.
How can we make the world most sustainable? And I'm not that fond of the Mars, because I think it's easy to go to the Mars. When you go on the top of the hills or the, or the building, just the one step, you go to Mars, but you will never be able to come back.
Elon Musk: Yeah, Jack Ma: But that's my view. Elon Musk: That's not how it works, though. Jack Ma: And so we cannot solve all the problems for future, but we have to be responsible for the future, but we should care more about how we can enjoy better.
My view is that by the artificial intelligence, or AI, when human being understand ourself better, then we can improve the world better. Last 200 years, human being tried to understand the other side world better, understand the other people better. Elon Musk: To be clear, I'm very pro-Earth.
When I say, you know, us becoming a multi-planet species or making life multi extending life beyond Earth, expanding the scope and scale of consciousness, the. From a resource standpoint, I'm talking about less than 1% of Earth's resources should be dedicated to
